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"Arch Duke Maxyenko, Shit Talk Extraordinaire" (arch-duke-maxyenko)
04/07/2014 at 15:28 • Filed to: None

It turns out that my clutch is shot. This could be the end of my E36 ownership.

DISCUSSION (49)

ddavidn > Arch Duke Maxyenko, Shit Talk Extraordinaire
04/07/2014 at 15:30

Nooooooooooooo that's an expensive job. It was for me, anyway.

505Turbeaux > Arch Duke Maxyenko, Shit Talk Extraordinaire
04/07/2014 at 15:31

lame as hell. I would say plan out a good 8 hours and crack it out yourself, but I know you have been up against more than just this on the car in the past year

Arch Duke Maxyenko, Shit Talk Extraordinaire > ddavidn
04/07/2014 at 15:32

I got quoted $2,900

MontegoMan562 is a Capri RS Owner > Arch Duke Maxyenko, Shit Talk Extraordinaire
04/07/2014 at 15:33

BMW =

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Arch Duke Maxyenko, Shit Talk Extraordinaire > 505Turbeaux
04/07/2014 at 15:33

I would, but not having a lift makes it nigh impossible.

Party-vi > Arch Duke Maxyenko, Shit Talk Extraordinaire
04/07/2014 at 15:33

Why for? Not enough money for a clutch job? Also, one of my favorite things about driving an automatic (there aren't many) is that I don't need to worry about a clutch.

Squid > Arch Duke Maxyenko, Shit Talk Extraordinaire
04/07/2014 at 15:34

You can buy a Miata for that price. . . .

ddavidn > Arch Duke Maxyenko, Shit Talk Extraordinaire
04/07/2014 at 15:34

WOW. I think I paid something like $2,000 to have my clutch and front control arms replaced.

ttyymmnn > Arch Duke Maxyenko, Shit Talk Extraordinaire
04/07/2014 at 15:36

Any DIY auto places around that would let you use a lift?

Arch Duke Maxyenko, Shit Talk Extraordinaire > Party-vi
04/07/2014 at 15:37

Well, it has 183,300 miles on it, and they quoted me $2,900 for the job. So, I'm stuck on just use that money for a new car or sink it in my car and hope nothing else goes wrong.

Arch Duke Maxyenko, Shit Talk Extraordinaire > ttyymmnn
04/07/2014 at 15:38

Those don't exist around here.

ADabOfOppo; Gone Plaid (Instructables Can Be Confusable) > Arch Duke Maxyenko, Shit Talk Extraordinaire
04/07/2014 at 15:40

If you weren't such an elitist asshole and had gotten an automatic, you wouldn't be facing this problem.

/sarcasm/

/like seriously, if can't figure that out you don't belong here./(not aimed at you Duke)

Arch Duke Maxyenko, Shit Talk Extraordinaire > ADabOfOppo; Gone Plaid (Instructables Can Be Confusable)
04/07/2014 at 15:43

I know, right? Automatics are sooooooooooooo much cheaper and dependable than manuals.....

PS9 > Arch Duke Maxyenko, Shit Talk Extraordinaire
04/07/2014 at 15:44

WHAT THE FUCK MAN

Party-vi > Arch Duke Maxyenko, Shit Talk Extraordinaire
04/07/2014 at 15:45

That's ridiculous. A clutch kit is $500, so what are they charging you, 18 hours labor? It shouldn't take that long.

Mattbob > Arch Duke Maxyenko, Shit Talk Extraordinaire
04/07/2014 at 15:49

Noo, you can do it yourself with a couple friends!! I helped a guy in college replace the one on his M3 e36. on Jackstands

Arch Duke Maxyenko, Shit Talk Extraordinaire > Party-vi
04/07/2014 at 15:51

Clutch kit + new flywheel + 120/hr

505Turbeaux > Arch Duke Maxyenko, Shit Talk Extraordinaire
04/07/2014 at 15:53

Kinja'd!!!

you know, in some parts of the country that is a non issue...

Kinja'd!!!

Arch Duke Maxyenko, Shit Talk Extraordinaire > Mattbob
04/07/2014 at 15:53

I don't think I can get it up high enough in my driveway to do it.

Mattbob > Arch Duke Maxyenko, Shit Talk Extraordinaire
04/07/2014 at 15:54

DIY 2x6 ramps

Arch Duke Maxyenko, Shit Talk Extraordinaire > 505Turbeaux
04/07/2014 at 15:54

Dear god no.

Mattbob > Arch Duke Maxyenko, Shit Talk Extraordinaire
04/07/2014 at 15:54

http://www.bimmerfest.com/forums/showthr…

Arch Duke Maxyenko, Shit Talk Extraordinaire > Mattbob
04/07/2014 at 15:57

I have ramps and jack stands, I don't have enough room to drop the transmission

Jonathon Klein > Arch Duke Maxyenko, Shit Talk Extraordinaire
04/07/2014 at 15:59

That sucks, can you find a junkyard clutch and a few helping hands? Are you anywhere near Chicago, I will gladly lend my wrenching skills.

505Turbeaux > Party-vi
04/07/2014 at 16:00

$500 on the high side (turners got kits for $250), and shit just rough that flywheel up as long as all the timing pins are still in it.

Arch Duke Maxyenko, Shit Talk Extraordinaire > Jonathon Klein
04/07/2014 at 16:02

Cincinnati

PS9 > ADabOfOppo; Gone Plaid (Instructables Can Be Confusable)
04/07/2014 at 16:04

Manual = MAN-ual. For real men. Just like the ones in the videos I watch at night. Now if you'll excuse me, I have to go now, because mom says too many hours on the internet is bad for me. Oh no here she comes

... yes mom, I'm shutting off the computer now! It's going off! God...

PS9 > 505Turbeaux
04/07/2014 at 16:06

I'm as DIY as the next Jalop, but I also don't wanna die.

ADabOfOppo; Gone Plaid (Instructables Can Be Confusable) > PS9
04/07/2014 at 16:08

Are you mocking yourself, trying to make fun of me, or just generally being funny? I'm being especially thick at the moment and can't quite figure out if that is a thinly veiled insult or not.

Party-vi > Arch Duke Maxyenko, Shit Talk Extraordinaire
04/07/2014 at 16:09

Guessing a flywheel isn't made of gold, bet let's assume the clutch kit and flywheel are $900. I figured labor was $120/hr (it is at my shop) and they're still fucking you over. No other shops around to quote you, or is it not very drivable?

PS9 > ADabOfOppo; Gone Plaid (Instructables Can Be Confusable)
04/07/2014 at 16:11

Making fun of the 'manuals are for men' crap.

Arch Duke Maxyenko, Shit Talk Extraordinaire > Party-vi
04/07/2014 at 16:15

I drove it there and it was slipping like a motherfucker, I will have to have it towed elsewhere if I decide to go to a different place.

They said the flywheel alone was $900. I can definitely get one for less. Despite it being a dual mass flywheel.

My dad is calling them up again while I'm here at school, we'll see what they come down to.

Jonathon Klein > Arch Duke Maxyenko, Shit Talk Extraordinaire
04/07/2014 at 16:15

That's a bit far. Google says about 5 hours, be there in two.

Arch Duke Maxyenko, Shit Talk Extraordinaire > Jonathon Klein
04/07/2014 at 16:15

f86sabre > Arch Duke Maxyenko, Shit Talk Extraordinaire
04/07/2014 at 16:22

Man up trooper. Get a 10mm socket, a 14mm socket and a torque wrench and get busy. The internet will help you. That's how I did my first clutch. Clutches aren't that expensive. be brave.

f86sabre > Arch Duke Maxyenko, Shit Talk Extraordinaire
04/07/2014 at 16:23

a couple of 2x4s work in a pinch.

04sneaky - Boxers. Blowers. Bikes. And bitches. > Arch Duke Maxyenko, Shit Talk Extraordinaire
04/07/2014 at 16:29

I pulled the T56 in my Cobra with two jacks, a 2x6 to pull up on (Cobra sits to low to jack right off the ground, two inches makes a big difference *giggles*), and four jack stands. Pulled the tranny completely out, rebuilt my synchros, replaced a sheared input shaft, and a butchered clutch all by myself.

It can be done. This may sound sad, but after tearing that far into the car and a good 12 hours of labor all around (took three tries to get the tranny dialed into tolerances right) I never felt so attached to it....

Then I blew my rear end out onto the highway like three months after fixing the tranny. And flipped a lid because I had to spend about as much time pulling my IRS at that point.

Moral of the story, it can be done. Don't give up on the car for it to become a junker. Or even worse....a....a drift project. *shudders*

Party-vi > Arch Duke Maxyenko, Shit Talk Extraordinaire
04/07/2014 at 16:31

Buy this and tell 'em to put it in .

Arch Duke Maxyenko, Shit Talk Extraordinaire > 04sneaky - Boxers. Blowers. Bikes. And bitches.
04/07/2014 at 16:33

I have spent a week under my car fixing the exhaust. The last time I was under there I had to bleed the slave cylinder.

Believe me when I say I can't do this job in my driveway.

Arch Duke Maxyenko, Shit Talk Extraordinaire > Party-vi
04/07/2014 at 16:45

The number they gave me was the worst case scenario and including tax. So this could end up costing me less, and I told them to go ahead and do it.

Lets just cross our fingers and hope that the flywheel is good...

Arch Duke Maxyenko, Shit Talk Extraordinaire > f86sabre
04/07/2014 at 16:46

After spending over a week under it, I'm paying them to take care of it.

RallyWrench > Arch Duke Maxyenko, Shit Talk Extraordinaire
04/07/2014 at 16:46

How the hell is it that expensive? I manage a Euro shop in CA, and there's no way it should cost that much. Our labor rate is $102/hr. Times 6.2 hours book for clutch & flywheel replacement = $632.40. Sachs clutch kit: $409.86. The flywheel may not even be necessary, and if it is, it'd be a good time to look into an aftermarket single-mass. The Luk dual-mass is $1076 list. Even at their labor rate and at full pop on the flywheel, it's $2230 before tax. 8% tax on the parts is around $120. Where's the rest come from? Not even low balling, I'd sell the flywheel for $830, still make adequate profit, and do that job for $1,945 out the door.

I don't generally install customer supplied parts for warranty & liability reasons, and because it's just a fact of business that we need to make money on parts, but we do make exceptions in select cases if the parts are of high quality & the customer understands that online parts houses almost never cover labor in a warranty situation. As long as you're cool with that, of course you can get a flywheel for less on the interwebs because online distributors can drastically undercut brick & mortar shops. If you can find a shop to install your parts, it could save you.

That said, it's not a difficult job. The hardest part, without a lift, will be getting to the upper bellhousing bolts, for which you'll need a very long extension with a female T45 (IIRC) Torx, and then aligning the input shaft in the clutch & pilot bearing when going back together. You'll need a 2nd person for that, but it's pretty straightforward otherwise. The exhaust comes off easily at the downpipe flange, and the driveshaft can be left bolted to the diff, just swing it to one side & secure it with a bungee. It really helps if you jack the engine up slightly at the front, otherwise it's difficult to get the bellhousing clear of the tunnel insulation.

Party-vi > Arch Duke Maxyenko, Shit Talk Extraordinaire
04/07/2014 at 16:47

*crosses fingers*

Arch Duke Maxyenko, Shit Talk Extraordinaire > RallyWrench
04/07/2014 at 16:49

The labor here is $120 and that number is worst case scenario(flywheel) after tax. The clutch is like $550 and the flywheel is $900

RallyWrench > Arch Duke Maxyenko, Shit Talk Extraordinaire
04/07/2014 at 16:57

Which should still only come to about $2310 if they're using book time.

Agrajag > Arch Duke Maxyenko, Shit Talk Extraordinaire
04/07/2014 at 17:55

That sucks. Sorry to hear it. Saw your post about giving them the go ahead, so good luck.

Vince-The Roadside Mechanic > Arch Duke Maxyenko, Shit Talk Extraordinaire
04/07/2014 at 19:33

rob a bank to get the money I can help

04sneaky - Boxers. Blowers. Bikes. And bitches. > Arch Duke Maxyenko, Shit Talk Extraordinaire
04/09/2014 at 22:55

Fair enough. I'll send my regards to your wallet regardless which path you choose lol.

Arch Duke Maxyenko, Shit Talk Extraordinaire > 04sneaky - Boxers. Blowers. Bikes. And bitches.
04/09/2014 at 22:57

I'm paying them to fix it.